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Former President Barack Obama at a rally to get out the vote for Georgia Senate candidates on Nov. 2, 2020 in Atlanta.

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Former President Barack Obama is thinking a lot about our values as Americans. These days, in a divided America, he's particularly thinking about what it means to be a man.

Is a man thoughtful, caring? Are men held back by what society traditionally expects a man to be?

These are questions that Aarti Shahani recently asked Obama on a recent episode of her podcast,Art of Power, from member station WBEZ in Chicago.

Listen to Art of Power on Apple Podcasts,Spotify and NPR One.

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